| Author | Topic: Superman in the 70s |
| India
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 posted February
24, 2003 09:55 PM 
SELECT CREATOR INDEX ___________________________ (specific discussions of artists, writers, and editors--alphabetical list) Adams, Neal (penciller, inker, writer) IP: Logged |
| India
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posted February
24, 2003 09:57 PM
SELECT CHARACTER & SUBJECT INDEX ___________________________________ (commonly discussed characters & subjects-- alphabetical list) Amalak--pages 6, 10, 14, 18, 21, 23 Barnett, Lola--pages 17, 19, 21, 22 Clark's neighbours--pages 2, 3, 16, 18 Edge, Morgan--pages 5, 18, 21, 22, 23 Galactic Golem--pages 3, 11, 17, 25 Kandor--pages 7, 18, 23 Lane, Lois--pages 2, 5, 10, 13, 17, 18, 19, 21, 22, 23 Metallo--pages 3, 21 Nam-Ek--pages 6, 21 Olsen, Jimmy--pages 4, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 14, 17 Parasite (The)--pages 17, 19, 20, 22 Raymond, Roy--page 17 Skull--pages 21, 22, 23 Terra Man--pages 5, 16, 19 Vartox--page 17 White, Perry--pages 19, 22 Xavier, Mr.--pages 2, 18 IP: Logged |
| India
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posted February
24, 2003 10:01 PM
b]SELECT STORY INDEX[/b] (commonly discussed stories--in order of 70s chronology) _______________________________________ 70s reprints of pre-70s stories--pages 6, 7, 14, 16, 18, 26 _______________________________________ "(The) Immortal Superman": 3 part story, ACT 285 - 287 Clark Kent gangster: 2 part imaginary novel, SMA 230 - 231 Sand Superman Saga: story arc, SMA 233 - 238, 240 - 242 "The Starry-Eyed Siren of Space": SMA 243 "Must There Be a Superman?" SMA 247 "Who Took the Super out of Superman" et al:
Page by page index: index for pages 1 - 9 -- on page 26 index for pages 10 - 26 -- on page 27 index for page 27 -- on page 28 IP: Logged |
| India
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posted February
24, 2003 10:05 PM
Notations, abbreviations, and explanations for the index :: = short post gar = garythebari
Swanderson = Curt Swan pencils and ***************************************************** For the sake of brevity: IP: Logged |
| India
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posted February
24, 2003 10:19 PM
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| India
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posted February
24, 2003 10:36 PM
That last index was probably irrelevant--but I had to be consistent. Opinions, additions, revisions, insults are welcome. Anyone who wants to tackle expanding the creator and character indices is welcome to it. The select story index is thin. I just stuck to the stories I saw coming up fairly often. But there are lots of other stories to contend with. I considered posting an entry for one or two Pasko arcs, but I couldn't decide how large or small a segment I should focus on--and the entire Pasko run is easily discovered by checking the creator index. Likewise Galactic Golem stories can be discovered in the character index. Reviewing what we have talked up makes me aware of all that hasn't been mentioned or topics raised that never got addressed (eg. someone back there asked me about a DC Comics Presents contest--and I started off about the Superman movie contest, but it occurs to me that I might've missed the point and there could have been a specific DCP contest). I'll elaborate on these missed opportunities at a later time, but just offhand (and you can see some of this just by glancing at creator and character listings) I feel Dick Dillin deserves more space, more could be said about Vartox and Gregory Reed, many titles have almost entirely been overlooked, and there should be some time given to Superman outside the comicbooks (in the popular media and in the popular imagination). IP: Logged |
| India
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posted February
26, 2003 02:44 PM
Well now if that don't beat all. Back on >page 16 ALDOUS, that ol' New Zealand hombre, done promised me he'd get 'round to "Super-Showdown at Buzzard Gulch!" and he done never did! (By the way, pards, that link is wrong on my annotated page by page index for page 16 !!! --the link will get you to page 12--too bad for the lack of edit functions.) And then consarn it all if'n I don't barge in on Aldous, that New Zealand amigo, back on >page 26 when he's in the middle of his shaggy dog tale 'bout that pup from outer space in "Who was that dog I saw you with last night?"--with me yammering about an index for two pages near abouts. Well now, son, that just aint right. I'm putting up the first part o' that little ol' yarn in the hope good ol'Aldous, that New Zealand prairie dog, will finish the story for us all...
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| Aldous Member |
posted February
28, 2003 02:14 PM
Hey, the character, story and creator indices are great. I think I will find them the most useful. They're a good first stop on the way to a page index. My hat's off to you, India. A fine job -- obviously a labour of love. IP: Logged |
| India
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posted February
28, 2003 02:56 PM
Thanks for the kind words, Aldous. I owe it all to my cheeky little monkey, Koko the laptop computer. While watching (with half an eye) All My Children or Coronation Street, I could tap away on the keyboard--cutting and pasting from different frames. And Koko's writable/readable cd-drive (containing a disc full of message board pages) coupled with its floppy drive was of great help. My one great regret is that my Word files when copied to the reply box and submitted still end up with a wider dimension than some computer screens. Something I still haven't been able to fix. But enough with the Brainiac garble, on with the 70s-- => IP: Logged |
| India
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posted February
28, 2003 11:34 PM
um, and just as an aside...in a weak moment, I was beginning to despair about the usefulness of continuing this thread -- and perhaps regretting my self-indulgence in constructing such an exhaustive index -- when I happened upon a topic on the archives board called: "recommended superman storylines" -- and there I was in the middle of putting up some of the index, so now I could just tell the topic-poster, willj, to go to >page twenty-seven of this thread. I was reminded that even if this thread is now often dormant it still serves a useful purpose and that for every one who may actually have posted on this thread there are probably dozens more who have utilized this resource without actually posting a response. So here's hoping the topic will last another year, Rob willing. IP: Logged |
| Continental Op Member |
posted March 01,
2003 10:29 AM
Sensational. India, thank you much for your efforts in compiling this Index (as well as your efforts to get Sheldon Moldoff some of his due, over on the Archives board). Definitely a herculean task for which you should be applauded. And if the rumors about an upcoming new format for these boards are true, then I will at least say that you have stepped a bit into Superman's boots. It's comforting to think of this thread like our own little Bottle City
of Kandor. No matter what, a small and very interesting chunk of these
boards can survive the destruction... safely preserved by its
super-guardian, reduced in size (on a disk)... patiently waiting for the
day it can emerge and grow again. IP: Logged |
| Aldous Member |
posted March 01,
2003 10:53 PM
Sometimes the "Superman in the 70s" topic is dormant, yes, but never for very long. It's one of the most important threads on the board.
quote: Er... guilty as charged, my friend. I wonder if a review from me can do the comic justice. The story, to the modern reader, may seem a little odd (and contrived, of course), but how do I communicate the virtues of that beloved Swan-Oksner art?
quote: You know, I sort of felt my interest in the review was satisfied. I mean, I was ambivalent about finishing it. When the dog's memories are restored and he and Superman are reunited, it really seems like the high point of the story for me. I've always loved that part of the story. But, yes, it occurs to me some 70s thread readers won't have that comic, and it's probably a good idea that I finish the story. Thanks for bringing it up... I will finish it (not right now). Actually, the ending is quite clever too, with the parallel between the Superman/Lois relationship and the Krypto/Chelsea relationship being brought to a nice (and logical) conclusion. I stand by my comment that it's one of the best stories Elliot ever wrote.
quote: ??? Are you able to give us more info on this "new format," C-Op? Are we to lose this great archive of reviews and discussions? That would be sad... Why is there an "upcoming new format"? I think these boards are great! Why fix what ain't broke? IP: Logged |
| Aldous Member |
posted March 01,
2003 10:55 PM
Sometimes the "Superman in the 70s" topic is dormant, yes, but never for very long. It's one of the most important threads on the board.
quote: Er... guilty as charged, my friend. I wonder if a review from me can do the comic justice. The story, to the modern reader, may seem a little odd (and contrived, of course), but how do I communicate the virtues of that beloved Swan-Oksner art?
quote: You know, I sort of felt my interest in the review was satisfied. I mean, I was ambivalent about finishing it. When the dog's memories are restored and he and Superman are reunited, it really seems like the high point of the story for me. I've always loved that part of the story. But, yes, it occurs to me some 70s thread readers won't have that comic, and it's probably a good idea that I finish the story. Thanks for bringing it up... I will finish it (not right now). Actually, the ending is quite clever too, with the parallel between the Superman/Lois relationship and the Krypto/Chelsea relationship being brought to a nice (and logical) conclusion. I stand by my comment that it's one of the best stories Elliot ever wrote.
quote: ??? Are you able to give us more info on this "new format," C-Op? Are we to lose this great archive of reviews and discussions? That would be sad... Why is there an "upcoming new format"? I think these boards are great! Why fix what ain't broke? IP: Logged |
| Aldous Member |
posted March 01,
2003 10:56 PM
Sometimes the "Superman in the 70s" topic is dormant, yes, but never for very long. It's one of the most important threads on the board.
quote: Er... guilty as charged, my friend. I wonder if a review from me can do the comic justice. The story, to the modern reader, may seem a little odd (and contrived, of course), but how do I communicate the virtues of that beloved Swan-Oksner art?
quote: You know, I sort of felt my interest in the review was satisfied. I mean, I was ambivalent about finishing it. When the dog's memories are restored and he and Superman are reunited, it really seems like the high point of the story for me. I've always loved that part of the story. But, yes, it occurs to me some 70s thread readers won't have that comic, and it's probably a good idea that I finish the story. Thanks for bringing it up... I will finish it (not right now). Actually, the ending is quite clever too, with the parallel between the Superman/Lois relationship and the Krypto/Chelsea relationship being brought to a nice (and logical) conclusion. I stand by my comment that it's one of the best stories Elliot ever wrote.
quote: ??? Are you able to give us more info on this "new format," C-Op? Are we to lose this great archive of reviews and discussions? That would be sad... Why is there an "upcoming new format"? I think these boards are great! Why fix what ain't broke? IP: Logged |
| India
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posted March 02,
2003 04:29 PM
I've heard this rumour that Rob is going to make "improvements" on the boards. If'n we do lose this thread, I'll do my best to restore it from the files I have on disc (and maybe someday I'll investment the time and learning curve in putting together a website where these old posts might be preserved--but I doubt I would get around to that for at least a year). Flipping through "Who was that dog...," Aldous, I realized that you hadn't yet covered the flashback of what actually happened with Krypto out in space. And that's at least worth a mention as it may be a precursor to Maggin's "Starwinds Howl" novella. I say "may" because with everything else I've been trying to do I haven't yet gotten to read that story off the web. IP: Logged |
| India
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posted March 02,
2003 04:35 PM
Oh wicked. Nearly got trapped into multiple posting. There do seem to be some bugs in the system today. IP: Logged |
| India
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posted March 02,
2003 10:42 PM
Okay, I have just one more index for you all. But I'll be real quick about it... IP: Logged |
| India
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posted March 02,
2003 10:47 PM
The Amazing New Adventures of Superman in the Seventies QUICK PAGE BY PAGE INDEX ____________________________ (just the highlights--no poster names, PART ONE (pages 1 - 14) .................................................. * What were the major adventures of * Some answers to this question. .................................................. * The garbage versus gold debate on * Reviewing some of the great Swan & .................................................. * Reviewing some of the great Swan & .................................................. * Reviewing "The Immortal Superman," * Answering random questions and talking .................................................. * Talking about the "evil" Morgan Edge. * Talking about the "evil" Pete Ross. ................................................... * Discussing later seventies works. * Conversation on collecting back issues. * About the early seventies reprint comics. .................................................. * Talking about "Sad Superman" in the "Sand- * Reviewing early seventies GIANTS -- .................................................. * Reviewing SUPERMAN 238 (Sand-Superman). * Reviewing SUPERMAN 167 (Brainiac & Luthor). * Arguments about "The Starry-Eyed Siren of Space" .................................................. * "Starry-Eyed Siren.." debate continued. * Related Cary Bates discussion. * Reviewing "Kneel to Your Conqueror, * Remembering Kurt Schaffenberger. * Reviewing Len Wein's "Danger Monster .................................................. * Artists who drew Lois Lane. * Reviewing "The Immortal Superman," .................................................. * About Pete Costanza on Jimmy Olsen. * Reviewing "The Loser--And New Champion," * Reviewing "The Skyscraper that Screamed .................................................. * "Jaws..." review continued. * On the sixties Superman. * About the death of Lucy Lane. .................................................. * About silly sixties Jimmy Olsen stories. * How did Amalak the Space Pirate become * About SUPERMAN 230 - 231 (Clark Kent gangster). * On the GIANTS, SUPERMAN 227, 232. .................................................. IP: Logged |
| India
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posted March 02,
2003 10:52 PM
.................................................. The Amazing New Adventures of QUICK PAGE BY PAGE INDEX ____________________________ (just the highlights--no poster names, PART TWO (pages 15 - 27) .................................................. * Discussing Capt. Marvel take-offs, ZHA-VAM * About Superboy and the super-teacher from .................................................. * Reviewing "Bus-Ride to Nowhere" & * Reviewing SUPERMAN 272 * Reviewing SUPERMAN 284 (SUPER-SPEC). * Reviewing 100 PAGE SUPER-SPEC DC-18 * About the return of Krypto in "Who was that dog * Reviewing "Solomon Grundy Wins on a Monday," * Curt Swan credits for ACTION. .................................................. * Inker and writer credits for ACTION and * Reviewing Curt Swan and Vince Colletta stories. * Reviewing Curt Swan and Bob Oksner stories. .................................................. * More Swan and Oksner stories. * Discussing "The Luthor Nobody Knows," * Reviewing "Weather War Over Metropolis," * Reviewing the 1976 Superman stories, including .................................................. * About Maggin's departure from DC and * More about 1976. * Reviewing SUPERMAN 300, "Superman 2001." .................................................. * Reviewing ACTION 464 - 466 (de-aging story). * About SUPERMAN FAMILY 181 (first Dollar Comic) * About foreign editions. .................................................. * Reviewing Martin Pasko's Superman run .................................................. * Reviewing Martin Pasko's Superman run, continued .................................................. * Reviewing Martin Pasko's Superman run, continued .................................................. >page twenty-four * Reviewing "Whatever Happened to Superman?" .................................................. * Reviewing ACTION 428 continued. * Reviewing "Too Big to Live" in ACTION 439, * Talking about an index. .................................................. * About Austrailian editions. * Reviewing "Who was that dog I saw * Annotated page by page index for .................................................. * Annotated page by page index for .................................................. IP: Logged |
| Aldous Member |
posted March 02,
2003 11:43 PM
quote: I did cover it, India. Maybe you skipped over it without noticing it... It's brief because the actual comic book sequence is brief. IP: Logged |
| India
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posted March 03,
2003 12:01 AM
" And now we are given a little flashback that gives us some bearing on who and what this stray dog is. He is Krypto, Superboy's boyhood companion, who had spent most of his time "romping among the stars"... On an alien world, the humanoid inhabitants run in terror from a marauding flying creature they call the Mindbreaker which feeds on their mental energy. The little superdog races to challenge the Mindbreaker, and crashes into the creature, sending it hurtling into space. In return, Krypto receives a devastating blast from the Mindbreaker which induces memory loss. The dog, having lost his trademark cape in the battle, wanders through space with amnesia, finally returning to Earth, but without knowing who or what he is. " Oh my, I am stupid. IP: Logged |
| Aldous Member |
posted March 03,
2003 03:39 AM
 Blimey, don't be so hard on yourself!
But, actually, since you've shown true remorse, I set your penance at thirty minutes of self-flagellation followed by a dozen Hail Marys. IP: Logged |
| Aldous Member |
posted March 08,
2003 03:12 AM
"Who Was That Dog I Saw You With Last Night?" by Elliot S! Maggin (writer) and Curt Swan + Bob Oksner (artists) CONTINUED... At Metro General Hospital, Superman and Krypto are at Lois's bedside. Lois's pulse is getting stronger and she is regaining consciousness. Once it appears Lois is going to be all right, Superman excuses himself to the doctor and prepares to leave. "....I think I now know the source of that mysterious gas!" says Superman. He and Krypto streak out of the hospital window into the sky. "Uhh, doctor..." asks Lois, "was that a flying dog I just saw?" "Afraid so, Miss Lane..." he replies. At the art museum back in the park, jets of the blue gas begin to rise up from the ground surrounding the building. A charge beneath each tiny stream of gas erupts and a deadly firey smoke envelops the museum. At the delivery entrance to the museum a bunch of men dressed in protective suits appears, one of the men driving what looks like a large piece of road-working machinery but is, in fact, a catapult. One of their number who seems to be giving the orders yells, "Hurry it, boys! And make sure all the art pieces are safe in those protective containers before we catapult them to the hideout!" Packages containing priceless treasures from the art museum begin to fly into the sky in a predetermined arc. Firefighters have gathered at the perimeter of the mysterious fire and smoke, but they are still deciding how to go about controlling the blaze. Returning from the hospital, high above the museum, Superman and Krypto observe the scene. Superman immediately identifies the airborne artworks with his X-Ray Vision and commands, "Krypto -- fetch!" Krypto yips by way of reply and races to carry out his master's bidding. Superman flys downwards to confront the art thieves and, upon plunging through the smoke barrier, bursts into flame and streaks towards the crims like a human torch (apologies to Horton). The Man of Steel, like a firey demon, smashes the giant catapult with two fists, scaring the hell out of two of the gang. He races on, his flaming aura having died away, when another thief aims a weapon at him, a weapon shaped like a tube and mounted across the shoulder much like a bazooka. "This thing can stop an atomic engine," the crook tells Superman, "and it can sure as molasses stop YOU!" The weapon fires and blasts Superman, but it doesn't even slow the target down. Once again engulfed in a bodysuit of blazing fire, Superman KOs the thug, telling him, "You're out of your league, fella..." In the meantime, Krypto the super-dog has been snatching the flying art treasures from out of the sky and stacking them. The art saved, he then goes about digging up the buried contraptions responsible for the deadly smoke-barrier. Inside the museum, the rest of the gang are unaware that Superman and Krypto are on to them. Busy taking the artworks from the walls, they suddenly hear a loud rumbling which gets louder and louder, then a human form engulfed in paroxysms of flame bursts into the room. The flaming Superman speeds around the terrified crims who think a devil straight from Hell is attacking them. Superman roughs-up the thieves then deposits them in a heap beside their wrecked catapult machine outside. "Hey -- this guy ain't no devil," says one of the crooks, "he's something far worse -- he's SUPERMAN!" With dawn breaking and the air clearing, the police arrive and begin loading the thieves into a paddy wagon. The gang's leader is revealed as a chemist who discovered the flame-gas formula, and who obviously decided to use it for nefarious ends. "Evidently, Krypto," says Superman as he and his dog watch the police mop up, "you accidentally set off one of their charges while digging! But tell me something, boy..." Superman pets Krypto's head and Krypto wags his tail, "...who was that dog I saw you with last night?" After "the dust of this particular adventure" has settled, the servant who walks Miss Chelsea has a friendly meeting with Superman and Lois to discuss the proposed "union" between Krypto and Miss Chelsea. It seems that Miss Chelsea's owner has decided she would be delighted at such a mating. (This is Superman's dog, after all!) "Since the animals seem so inclined..." explains the servant, and he produces the necessary pedigree papers. Superman doesn't see the need for making things as complicated for dogs as it is for human beings and suggests they simply let the dogs themselves decide. The servant is a little put out at this outlandish suggestion, but Miss Chelsea is re-introduced to Krypto. Unexpectedly, Miss Chelsea is now repulsed by Krypto and she runs for the cover of the servant's legs. "Wh-what is happening here?" stutters the servant. "I thought that would happen," says the Man of Steel as a shocked and hurt Krypto takes off into the sky. "Chelsea is... afraid of Krypto! She's seen him do things other dogs can't do. She can't understand why he is... different from her!" The servant and Chelsea gaze up into the sky at the soaring Krypto while Lois snuggles closer to Superman. "Chelsea wants a down-to-earth dog," says Lois, "but as for me -- give me a SUPER-MAN anytime!" end IP: Logged |
| India
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posted March 08,
2003 01:53 PM
Hurray for Krypto! IP: Logged |
| Aldous Member |
posted March 09,
2003 02:20 AM
quote: I have some utterly terrible comics in my collection featuring Krypto (the worst of them written by Bob Rozakis). I think I said somewhere back there on the 70s thread that the character was hardly ever handled well. But, as with Lex, I think the writer who best understood Krypto and his place in the mythos was Elliot. My review can't do that charming little story justice. IP: Logged |