| Author | Topic: Superman in the 70s |
| India
Ink Member |
 posted January 12,
2003 03:17 PM 
Earlier on this thread I was resigned to the fact that when this topic is deleted that would be the end of it all. But then I discovered I could just save these pages to disc, which is what I have been doing. So I can always have a look at the pages with koko (the name of my notebook computer--which is not linked to the net). For my own sake, my own personal index would just help in finding any posts I wanted. So I might as well share that personal index with everyone. But I am aware that such a thing could become unwieldy, so by the judicious use of abbreviations and other devices I hope to edit my index down to the minimal possible overview. We'll see in the unfolding of time whether I can stick to that objective. Also an index would just be helpful for any new posters who haven't even looked at this thread because of its frightening length. IP: Logged |
| India
Ink Member |
posted January 12,
2003 03:19 PM
Yikes! Clicked to page 26! I better shut up and get started on that index <ulp>. IP: Logged |
| Aldous Member |
posted January 13,
2003 07:09 AM
casselmm47, That's a good suggestion. I like the discussion thread in its entirety and in its format here. Saving the whole webpage (each page of the forum) would be the answer for me, but I don't have recordable CD as yet -- floppy disk and Zip disk are not "permanent" storage media, in my opinion. Hopefully the thread will be around long enough so that at some stage I can save it. But -- in any case, long may it continue. IP: Logged |
| Aldous Member |
posted January 13,
2003 08:01 AM
I was just thumbing through a favourite comic book from my childhood. It's a collected edition of DC comics published in Australia in the 1970s. The stories inside really do make up a terrific collection.
quote: The first story in this comic is "Search for the 'Impossible' Man." (I told you I'd come back to this -- though it took a while!) The story is from Superman #285 (March 1975). Written by Elliot S! Maggin and drawn by Swan + Blaisdell. The second story in the collection is a little cracker titled Pa Kent in "Clark Kent's Super-Dad" from Adventure Comics #236 (May 1957). I have no idea who the writer is. Maybe someone on this thread can help. The art is credited to John Sikela. I think he's the same artist who drew another favourite Superboy story of mine about the "Super-Teacher from Krypton." The third story is a great Silver Age tale, "The Interplanetary Olympics" from Action Comics #304 (September 1963). There is no writer credit, but one source I have gives the honour to Leo Dorfman. Art by the great team of Swan + Klein. The fourth story is one of those terrific old Justice League of America tales called "One Hour to Doomsday". IP: Logged |
| Aldous Member |
posted January 13,
2003 08:08 AM
I just noticed I've been on these boards for exactly one year today. So, er... happy anniversary to me. Did anyone bake a cake? IP: Logged |
| Lee
Semmens Member |
posted January 14,
2003 06:15 AM
quote: Three sources I have all credit this story to Dorfman - of course they could all originate from a common source. IP: Logged |
| Aldous Member |
posted January 15,
2003 04:12 PM
Thanks, Lee. I brought up the subject of what is apparently an earlier version of the "Interplanetary Olympics" on the 30s to the 50s thread... I don't own the ealier story drawn by Al Plastino. I was curious about the plot of the earlier one, and whether or not it's Dorfman. The story I have, "The Interplanetary Olympics," involves Superman's super-power being siphoned off by the baddies, an idea that has always intrigued me. We talked about it once on this thread... I reviewed "Kneel To Your Conqueror, Superman," one of my favourite stories. Superman's power is siphoned off by the villain, Caesar, in a comic from 1971 (drawn by Swanderson) -- released shortly after another great power-draining adventure had begun, the "Sand-Superman" saga. The idea of Superman's power being drained by the villain is an early one. I don't know how far back the idea was first used, but I have a very old Superboy comic in which a bunch of alien "teenagers" trick Superboy into having his super-powers siphoned off for their own use. IP: Logged |
| Aldous Member |
posted January 15,
2003 11:28 PM
quote: I now have that story in front of me. "The Kids Who Stole Superboy's Powers" from Superboy #112 (April 1964). I wish I knew who the writer is. Art by George Papp. Each of four alien "boys" steals one of Superboy's super-powers: Alduun receives super-strength, Benka receives super-vision, Dyen receives invulnerability, and the fourth (who isn't named as far as I can tell) receives the power of flight. This Superboy tale has a lot in common with "Kneel To Your Conqueror, Superman!" (which I reviewed on this thread) by Leo Dorfman from 1971. Could this Superboy story also be written by Dorfman? IP: Logged |
| Aldous Member |
posted January 16,
2003 10:54 PM
One of the best stories Elliot S! Maggin ever wrote was "Who Was That Dog I Saw You With Last Night?" -- one of my first Superman comics and still a favourite. As far as 70s Superman comics go, it is one of the better ones. It's a neat little story, and one which makes wonderful use of a character who was hardly ever handled well: Krypto. The story is from Superman #287 (May 1975). "A tale of action, mystery, suspense... and a touch of romance!" promises the introduction, and the comic delivers. The splash page shows a very pretty Oksner Lois accepting a bunch of flowers from a handsome Superman, along with an obviously female dog accepting a gift from an obviously male dog. The story opens in the early morning at Pier 28 in Metropolis, where an anonymous dog sniffs around the garbage on a barge out in the harbour, as stray dogs do. Suddenly the dog appears to pick up a scent, the scent of "home," and, to the astonishment of the men operating the barge, the dog leaps from the vessel across the large expanse of water to the pier and is gone, running through the streets of Metropolis. The dog seems to be heading single-mindedly for a certain destination, but then fate throws up a distraction in the form of a dignified-looking man in a bowler hat, carrying a cane and walking a female dog on a lead. This junkyard dog is "smitten" and follows the man and the dog he is walking to their door. "Come, Chelsea," says the man to the dog on the leash, "he isn't for you." Later in the day, in the Galaxy Building, Lois Lane looks in on Clark Kent and tells him she has a hot date. We follow this young and pretty Lois to the elevator as she thinks, "...Now this little girl gets to see her man!" Clark is busy changing to Superman and, as Lois exits the Galaxy Building at street level, Superman flies down and picks her up in a one-arm embrace. "Make me an offer I can't refuse!" Lois tells him. "I dare you!" The evening finds us back at the residence of Chelsea and the dignified man who turns out to be a servant where the pair are just setting out for "Miss Chelsea's evening walk." Waiting for them is the stray dog from the morning, and he still has the hots for Chelsea. The servant is displeased to see "that wretched mongrel" and belts the stray dog across the back with his heavy cane. The cane breaks in two, and the dog is uninjured. Chelsea is more enamoured of the stray, and her leash, which she has been straining against, suddenly snaps at a point which has been mysteriously heated up. (Yep, that sure looks like heat-vision coming from stage right.) The servant calls after Miss Chelsea, but she is off and running with her new Romeo as the poor servant thinks, "Consorting with a common stray! Madame will be most annoyed!" At the park, Superman is impressing his girlfriend by skipping stones across the lake. His latest effort skips twenty-four times. Lois and the Man of Steel seem like two teenagers skiving off. "You know," Superman tells Lois, "I'd much rather worry about setting a new world rock-skimming record than about how fast I can waste some pushy super-villain." Lois and Superman are getting a little more intimate as Superman puts his hand to her face, but something is happening that will interrupt their leisure time. The stray dog and Chelsea are in the park, and they have dug up a bone, leaving a large hole in the ground which starts releasing a blue gas. The bluish gas ignites the branch of a tree and Superman eventually notices the blaze with his telescopic vision. Lois is not thrilled that Superman must dash off, but the Man of Steel is already flying to the scene to deal with the "odd blue flame." He super-speeds around the tree to starve the fire of oxygen, then notes that the hole in the ground under the fire could have some bearing on the incident, and he closes off the hole. Lois, "slightly peeved" at being ditched, has run to the other side of the lake to rejoin Superman. Superman is keen to show Lois what he has discovered, that there are traces of ozone ("a highly flammable form of oxygen") in the tree that had caught fire, in place of where oxygen should be. Lois suddenly faints. While this is going on, the stray dog and Chelsea are romping through the park, running around, chasing a stick, and showing all the signs of being in love. And now we are given a little flashback that gives us some bearing on who and what this stray dog is. He is Krypto, Superboy's boyhood companion, who had spent most of his time "romping among the stars"... On an alien world, the humanoid inhabitants run in terror from a marauding flying creature they call the Mindbreaker which feeds on their mental energy. The little superdog races to challenge the Mindbreaker, and crashes into the creature, sending it hurtling into space. In return, Krypto receives a devastating blast from the Mindbreaker which induces memory loss. The dog, having lost his trademark cape in the battle, wanders through space with amnesia, finally returning to Earth, but without knowing who or what he is. Now, playing with Chelsea, the dog looks upward to see, streaking through the sky over the park, Superman with an unconscious Lois in his arms. (The artwork in this story, by Curt Swan and Bob Oksner, really is quite superb. The reader can clearly see the shock of recognition in the dog's features. Of course, Swan was a master at conveying emotion through facial expression.) Memories flood back into the dog's mind, and he leaves the ground, streaking into the sky after Superman, "Yip! Yip!" "Great Galaxies!" exclaims Superman, in what is one of my favourite emotionally moving moments in comics, "Krypto!" Superman, however, doesn't even slow down. "Follow me, Krypto! Lois is in trouble!" Back on the ground, in the park, a very confused ("beginning to be scared") dog called Miss Chelsea is looking up into the sky after her Romeo. IP: Logged |
| Continental Op Member |
posted February
01, 2003 11:16 AM
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| India
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posted February
08, 2003 08:41 PM
Here's a first stab at indexing this message board, starting with page one as an example of what I intend to do. Phew, it was hard doing just this page, but I think it'll get easier as I go along. I've used lots of abbreviations and made up notations to cut through all the extensive content. Afterall this can't be an actual quote of the content or even a summary of the same. Just a brief glimpse of what was said on each board. I'll try to introduce some abbreviations on the fly (such as for frequent user names), but this is a guide to some of the abbreviations and notations I intend to use-- cheers = !!! addend. = an addendum to previous comments of a poster or posters
ACT = Action Comics /: = long post The first and last date on each page will be posted (but dates in between won't). For the purposes of brevity I have done away with most [][/] frills like boldface and italics. *************************************************** SUPERMAN IN THE SEVENTIES the index posted May 08, 2001 06:54 PM garythebari (gar):: ??? "Would anyone care to fill me in on the events, the chronology, the major Superman adventures in the 70s? " India Ink (ind):: *** Pasko Kev-El (kvl):: *** Sandman Saga "SS"(SMA 233 - 242), gar:: +++, etc. jfurdell:: *** "SSS" & SMA 296 - 299, etc. lildeath:: talks about his gap in knowledge of this era bizarromark (bmk)/: 70s refined Weisinger gar:: >>> KingKrypton:: *** SUPERMAN IN THE SEVENTIES (S70) bmk:/ ### on cheesey content gar:: >>> KingKrypton :: ***Chiaramonte Lildeath:: ??? Gil Kane ind/: quarrels with Lildeath's evaluation of Swan Jetfire:: !!! >>> ind/: essay on quality and content of the 70s kvl:/ !!! for ind First National Bastard:: ??? re reprinting of "SSS"
jfurdell:: correction to error re "beef bourguinon" in ind's essay above (SMA 296 - 299) ind:: >gulp< re correction Morbius:: *** post Sandman/pre-Crisis Superman The Time Trapper (bbz--aka bizarro brainiac zero):: asks for *** on
Swanderson, top ten list
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| Aldous Member |
posted February
12, 2003 04:51 AM
OK, India... That could work. It would require all the 70s fans to become fluent in abbreviatese. I might email Rob about something related to this and get back to you.... IP: Logged |
| Aldous Member |
posted February
12, 2003 04:01 PM
I received an email from Rob (thanks, Rob) regarding the (unavoidable) fact that we cannot have a "search" function. So roll on with the "index"... IP: Logged |
| India
Ink Member |
posted February
14, 2003 06:35 PM
There's lots of abbreviatese, but I think--like my mother skipping over words she doesn't know in her novels--you can skip over most of them and still get an idea of the thread--it's just my quirky title abbreviations that will likely give the most troubles. Easy for me to say--I speak the lingo. Anyhow I've done ten pages thusfar, and will proceed to load those onto this thread presently (wish me luck). IP: Logged |
| India
Ink Member |
posted February
14, 2003 06:41 PM
Notations, abbreviations, and explanations for the index :: = short post gar = garythebari
{xxx} = a brief mention Swanderson = Curt Swan pencils and Murphy Anderson inks ACT = Action Comics "ISA" = "The Immortal Superman" story arc ACT 385 - 387, circa 1970, by
Bates/Swan/Roussos **********************************************************************************************************************************************
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| India
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posted February
14, 2003 06:44 PM
yikes--the first glitch, looks like my format doesn't fit the screen (not quite)--sorry about that chaps... IP: Logged |
| India
Ink Member |
posted February
14, 2003 06:51 PM
The Amazing New Adventures of SUPERMAN IN THE SEVENTIES index *************************page one************************ http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/files/Forum30/HTML/004040.html
posted May 08, 2001 06:54 PM India Ink (ind):: *** Pasko Kev-El (kvl):: *** Sandman Saga "SSS" (SMA 233 - 242) gar:: +++, etc. lildeath:: talks about his gap in knowledge of this era bizarromark (bmk)/: thesis--70s refined Weisinger KingKrypton:: *** SUPERMAN IN THE SEVENTIES (S70) KingKrypton :: ***Chiaramonte Lildeath:: ??? Gil Kane ind/: quarrels with Lildeath's evaluation of Swan Jetfire:: !!! >>> ind/: essay on quality and content of the 70s kvl:/ !!! for ind First National Bastard:: ??? re reprinting of "SSS" Knor-El:: quiz for posters on his user name origin jfurdell:: correction to error re "beef bourguinon" in ind's essay
above (SMA 296 - 299) Bookworm:: addend. on Lex Luthor The Time Trapper:: asks for *** on Swanderson, top ten list posted May 26, 2001 03:53 PM IP: Logged |
| India
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posted February
14, 2003 06:56 PM
************************page two********************* posted May 29, 2001 to June 12, 2001 posted May 29, 2001 12:49 PM SOLARLORD (sol):: addend. on Morrison Village Idiot (vid)/: essay refuting (with all due respect) the adoration Silver Age fans have for these inferior stories that cannot compare with today's sophisticated comics. bmk:: ### >>> refuting vid sol:: admits that vid may have a point, etc. vid:: gets a laugh from bmk post above vid:: >>> addend. re sol bmk:: muses on what music Superman listened to vid:: addend. on what Superman listened to bmk:: refutes vid: addend. re sol BuddyBlank:: re sol on Tomar Re in SMA 257, gives defunct link for "STTA" vid: refutes bmk re sophisticated mod. Superman gar: !!! >>> for vid re mod. Superman ind//: essay on "what if" Julie Schwartz made Superman comics in 1997 instead of 1977 vid:: >>> ind --"well said" vid:: addend. kvl: !!! >>> for both p.o.v.s ind/: addend. on depth of stories in any decade ind//: begins list of 25 Swanderson stories for Time Trapper ind/: Swanderson list-- ind:: on posting snafu ind:: &&& SMA 255 "The Sun of Superman" ind:: &&& SMA 257 "Superman Battles the
War-Horn!" ind/: Swanderson list-- posted June 12, 2001 08:34 PM IP: Logged |
| India
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posted February
14, 2003 07:01 PM
*******************page three******************** http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/files/Forum30/HTML/004040-3.html posted June 12 , 2001 to July 12, 2001
ind:: *** &&& ACT 414 "Superman vs. Superstar!" ind:: *** &&& ACT 417 "The Conspiracy of the
Crime-Lords!" ind:: 420 "The Made-to-Order Menace!" Jetfire:: !!! >>> +++ for ind Pilgrim:: ??? for sol re "Polyester Age" twb:: {ACT 434} etc. ind/: Swanderson list ind/: *** &&& ACT 430 "Bus-Ride to Nowhere!" Pksoze (pks):: ??? for ind re "Galactic Golem" ("GG") ind:: for pks re "GG" pks:: re "GG" SMA 258 "Fury of the Energy-Eater" by Len Wein The Time Trapper/: re favourite "Silver Age" Superman list ind:: >>> for The Time Trapper re favourite (60s) etc. ind//: for pks re "GG" pks:: >>> for ind Jon-El (jnl):: ??? re Garcia-Lopez {Conway, Grundy, Parasite} ind:: for jnl re Garcia-Lopez, SMA 301 jnll:: *** Neal Adams cover, green Superman {Metallo} BuddyBlank:: for Pilgrim re "Polyester Age"/Bronze Age ind:: for jnl re cover [indexer's note: this is riddled with errors] KryptOnite:: for jnl re Adams cover, SMA 317*** ind:: correction on his previous post--more research needed jnl:: ***SMA 317, Metallo storyline [indexer's note: everyone is remembering the Pasko run here, but they don't know it--this storyline is reviewed much later on this thread] posted July 12, 2001 12:54 PM IP: Logged |
| India
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posted February
14, 2003 07:08 PM
********************page four***************** http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/files/Forum30/HTML/004040-4.html posted July 12, 2001 to August 09, 2001
ind:: >>> "STTA" site, re STARWINDS HOWL (Krypto novel by Maggin) ind:: addend. jnl:: *** Superman 1976 - 79 pks:: >>> re STARWINDS HOWL ind:: correction re "late 60s" ACT 3-parter ind:: addend.--??? who inked it ind/: addend. ind/: AWO 2, re interview with Bates & Maggin, etc. ind///: begins &&& "ISA" (ACT 3-parter, 1970) gar:: quote ind on "The Wake" ind///: "ISA" part 2 *** &&& ACT 386 "The Home for Old Super-Heroes!" twb:: "I was never able to find the concluding chapter of the 'Immortal Superman'..." ind///: ### for twb..."ISA" part 3 follows... ind///: addend. &&& ACT 387 cont'd. twb:: >>> conkom(con):: ??? story from Weisinger The Old Guy (tog) :: re conkom ??? remembers story, con:: remembers that one, too (Andru/Esposito, ???Bates) tog:: thinks Leo Dorfman, etc. con:: ??? for tog re two-parters tog: identifies stories ind:: ??? on Super-Sons in ACT 391 & 392, etc JamesS:: ??? re Lois & Clark, Clark proposes ??? SMA 317, etc posted August 09, 2001 09:25 PM IP: Logged |
| India
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posted February
14, 2003 07:14 PM
******************page five*******************
posted August 09, 2001 10:03 PM ind:: re Clark proposes *** Pasko run ind:: for Osgood Peabody (osp) re Super-Sons ACT 391 - 392 osp:: re Superman family, etc ind:: re Superman family, Kanigher, Schaffenberger, etc., 60s SLL osp/: >>> SLL ( tie-ins with Kirby 4th World) 111, 115, 116,
118 - 119 osp:: the real Morgan Edge in SMA 241, 244 etc ind:: Morgan Edge/Intergang in JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA 94 (1971) osp:: "SSS" exclusively in SMA vs other 1971 Superman titles ind:: on death of Gray Morrow ind:: on "STTA" links vid/: ??? "evil" Pete Ross in S70 tpb The Progenitor (pro):: *** "evil" Pete Ross story ind/: re Terra Man's origin vid:: re Terra Man pro:: Mongul in DCP vid:: >>> pro DavidEdwardMartin:: re Kryptonite Man aka Kryptonite Kid in SBY pro:: Kryptonite Kid in Superboy TV show pro:: quiz for posters re a supporting character of the times in "SSS" ind/: re Terra Man ind/: re "evil" Pete Ross ind//: addend., commentary posted November 25, 2001 04:34 PM IP: Logged |
| India
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posted February
14, 2003 07:21 PM
**************page six************* posted November 25, 2001 to January 05, 2002 posted November 25, 2001 09:22 PM ind:: ??? re Satanus Kal/: !!! >>> jnl:: re SMA 317 - 319, etc fredflintstonedino:: re ind on Supergirl ind:: answering pro's "SSS" quiz from page five pro:: re ind's answer ind:: >>> "SSS" tpb idea pro/: re SMA 317 - 319 [indexer's note: ind:: re SMA 317 - 319 [actually 307 - 309] continuity change pro:: re SMA 312 - 316--Nam-Ek & Amalak casselmm47:: re ind on Mongul in DCP pro: !!! >>> Supermobile twb:: !!! Superman 1974 - 79 ind:: re twb on 1974 - 79 ind:: puts up links for STARWINDS HOWL, AWO, et al vid:: !!! ind/: on his collection--condition, bagging, etc vid//: re his collection--condition, storage, etc. axel:: re Supergirl & Superman story [SMA 307 - 309] ind:: on LIMITED COLLECTOR'S EDITIONs through the mail axel:: encourages another direction of discussion ind/: context of "ISA" (ACT 385 - 387) ind//: *** E. Nelson Bridwell & reprints (GIANTS, 48 pagers, etc) ind:: addend. posted January 05, 2002 07:58 AM IP: Logged |
| India
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posted February
14, 2003 07:30 PM
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posted January 05, 2002 01:28 PM ind/: *** "STTA" link &&& "SSS" vid:: compares "Sad Superman" with "Woe is Me" (2001)
Superman vid:: prices too high for "SSS" back issues ind///: *** &&& SMA 239 (G-84) reprints "Superman's
Greatest Battles" ind/: quotes from SMA letterpage--on SMA 232 reprints ind/: *** SJO 140 (G-86) reprints "Amazing Adventures out of this World" ind//: SJO 140 (G-86) ind/: on Jack Kirby's SJO Fred Schiffer:: *** >>> !!! for 70s Superman ind:: defunct link for "Superman in Kandor" on "STTA" ind:: another defunct link ind:: and another ind:: and one more ind/: on 48 page DCs--1971-72--reprints ind/: addend vid:: ??? for ind ind/: answers vid Aldous (ald) /: "Hello, everybody..." !!! >>> ind:: >>> !!! for ald's &&& ind/: on DC 100-PAGE SUPER-SPECTACULARS (reprints) ind/: on SMA 252 (DC-13)--Super-Spec ind/: DC 100-PAGE SUPER-SPECTACULAR (SUPERMAN) DC-18
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| India
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posted February
14, 2003 07:38 PM
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posted January 17, 2002 to January 21, 2002 posted January 17, 2002 08:54 PM wbrentleigh:: addend. ind:: >>> comic creators = "parents" ind//: SMA 238 ("SSS") ind:: addend. bluedevil2002 (bd2) :: ??? reprinting of "SSS" bd2:: ??? about obtaining "SSS" ind//: >>> re ENB & ind:: re bd2-- buying vintage comics { SMA 164} ind:: on automatic message board censor ald/: agrees re bd2 on "SSS" ald:: expands on "sad" Superman vs. ald:: addend. ("Superman Breaks Loose" SMA 233) bd2:: ??? on petition for "SSS" tpb ind:: ??? campaign for collected edition of "SSS" bd2:: on "SSS" campaign pro:: DC "bigwigs" ### on collecting "SSS" ind:: DC pro & con collected "SSS" bd2:: ??? "Elseworlds" logo on collected "SSS" kvl/: "SSS" tpb overdue ind:: *** "Starry-Eyed Siren..." (contrasted to "SSS") ind//: re Rich Morrisey on...
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| India
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posted February
14, 2003 07:45 PM
******************page nine************** http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/files/Forum30/HTML/004040-9.html posted January 22, 2002 to February 07, 2002 posted January 22, 2002 04:17 ind:: "Good Grief! Nine pages. I really have to start being more brief." BuddyBlank:: for ind re Schwartz false-starts on SMA ind:: agrees with BuddyBlank, etc. ald/: >>> for ind osp:: >>> for the thread osp/: on "...Siren..." ald:: on osp re WFC 202 ind//: re linkage in 70s Superman titles, et al, osp:: addend. ind//: speculation on the working relationship ind/: correction to a previous error ind:: rethink on Bates speculation osp:: addend. ald//: *** &&& "Kneel to your Conqueror, ald//: &&& "Kneel..." cont'd ald/: &&& "Kneel..." concluded jnl:: >>> "Whatever Happened to Superman" in ACT ind:: for ald on "Kneel..." ind/: remembrance of Schaff, on his passing ald/: *** &&& "Danger--Monster at Work" SMA 244, by Len Wein osp:: *** Len Wein on... ind:: link for post on Schaff in posted February 07, 2002 07:15 PM IP: Logged |