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Aldous
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posted October 08, 2002 03:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aldous
Continuing "Whatever Happened to Superman?"

Superman flies from the prison, determined to pull "the most drastic stunt" he's ever dared, to prove that Superman exists. That evening, live on the TV news, Clark Kent stands up and rips open his jacket and shirt, revealing the Superman costume underneath for all the TV viewers to see. Clark asks the viewers to call in and tell him what they see...

While Morgan Edge is slamming his fist onto his desk in anger as he watches Clark's stunt, we are given a glimpse of what the people of Metropolis see: not a Superman costume, but a horribly ordinary undershirt.

The TV cameras are shut down as studio employees manhandle Clark, thinking he has flipped his lid. Clark is protesting, but it is obvious they do not see the Superman costume.

After a shift of scene, back to the state prison, we are privy to the thoughts of Lex Luthor. He is amused at the trick he played on Superman, pretending not to see the Man of Steel as he stood outside Luthor's cell. Lex, apparently, is immune to the mass-hypnosis because "I invented it." Corey, the engineer directly responsible for installing the "super-hypno-beamer" in the satellite, is a former cell-mate of Luthor's. Everyone on the planet (except for Luthor, Corey and Superman) has been hypnotised to believe that Superman has been missing for ten years. Lex reflects on his motivations for this latest scheme -- to deprive Superman of the respect and admiration of others, to make sure nobody ever knows about his good deeds, to turn him into a "living phantom."

Lex's reverie is interrupted as a guard opens the door of the cell to admit a new prisoner, Phelps.

CONTINUED...

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Aldous
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posted October 11, 2002 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aldous
Continuing "Whatever Happened to Superman?"

The guard, as he shows Phelps into the cell, makes an offhand remark that the cell has been empty for weeks, and that the warden has saved it for Phelps. Luthor, who is standing in the cell, tries to protest, but neither the guard nor Phelps seem to notice him.

Lex tries to talk to the new prisoner as the guard walks off, but Phelps appears not to see or hear him at all, and Lex becomes angry. He kicks Phelps, but the new prisoner merely continues yawning as if nothing happened, and lays down for a nap. Lex tries to shake him, but he may as well be a "living phantom" himself.

And so, it dawns on Lex that he has been tricked, double-crossed. Corey, the engineer, must have programmed the satellite in such a way as to make the world forget Lex Luthor as well as Superman. Lex feels humiliated in suffering the same fate he had designed for Superman. "Just this once, I wish Superman had outwitted me, so he could go after Corey."

Phelps says, "Sometimes wishes come true, Luthor." Phelps grabs at his own face, and the face comes off as a mask. Underneath are the features of the Man of Steel.

"S-Superman!?!" says Lex. "Then... it was all a trick! You could see me all along!"

Superman, convinced only Lex Luthor, and nobody else, could have engineered such a scheme, and, figuring that Lex must have an accomplice on the "outside," set out to trick Lex into thinking he had been double-crossed. Lex, fortunately, spilled the beans about Corey and the satellite by talking to himself out loud with Phelps in the cell.

Superman kicks the diabolical satellite into the sun, then sets off to capture Corey. Clark, a little later, has to face the music for his undressing stunt on live TV, in a meeting with Edge. It turns out the station received a lot of calls from viewers complimenting WGBS on their "April Fool's" prank. Clark pulled his shirt open on what happened to be April 1st.

Later, flying over the city, Superman is happy to once again hear the acknowledgement of the people, with everything back to normal.

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twb
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posted October 18, 2002 01:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for twb
quote:
Originally posted by Continental Op:

SUPERMAN #349 (July, 1980)
"The Turnabout Trap!"

Guest Writer: Martin Pasko
Artists: Curt Swan and Frank Chiaramonte
Cover: Ross Andru and Dick Giordano


(Or, "She’s a MAN, baby!")

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Interestingly, the final episode of the original Star Trek wes "Turnabout Intruder" where Captain kirk was switched bodies with a an angry ex-girlfriend.

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The comprehensiveness of adaptive movement is limitless. (m. y.)

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India Ink
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posted October 19, 2002 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for India Ink
I just thought I would take a moment to encourage others to keep posting on the seventies Superman comics.

For myself I've had more than my say. Once I finished posting on the seventies Pasko Superman work, I always knew that I would have said everything that I wanted to say on this thread.

Over all of these pages I've posted on Swanderson, Swoksner, Schaffenberger, the "Immortal Superman," the legacy of E. Nelson Bridwell and his reprint selections, the work of Maggin and Bates, and the Pasko run.

And yet there's so much more to discuss. Superboy. Lois Lane. Jimmy Olsen. The work of Neal Adams, Jack Kirby, Dick Dillin, and Ross Andru.

While I might not post as much nor as extensively as before, I am interested in seeing others making their opinions known, as I have done for some 24 pages.

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India Ink
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posted November 22, 2002 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for India Ink
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posted November 23, 2002 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for India Ink
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Allen Ross
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posted December 28, 2002 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Allen Ross   Click Here to Email Allen Ross
Back in the April 2002 Previews, soliciting items (generally) arriving in June, the following was solicited:

Superman 70s Comic Art 2003 Wall Calendar

"The Man of Steel as he appeared in the 70s. Classic images of flight, speed, and breaking chains across his rock hard chest will bring out the nostalgia in all hardcore Big Blue fans! (Diamond UK) (5032863004968) (CAUT: 4) Calendar 12x12 C $11.99"

I ordered a copy, but it hasn't shown.

Has anybody seen this (or the Batman & Robin or Wonder Woman 70s calendars also solicited)?

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India Ink
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posted January 02, 2003 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for India Ink
I never heard of this! Sounds just like the thing India Ink would've liked for Christmas!

I gather this isn't a re-issue of any calendars from the seventies--I have some of those and they were never specific to one character, featuring different DC characters for each month.

It's just too bad I didn't always take the greatest of care with my calendars. There's one I had that featured Neal Adams art--so I took it apart so I could have separate Neal Adams pin-ups to look at. Still I think I have most of it, in pieces, scattered amongst other items.

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Osgood Peabody
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posted January 06, 2003 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Osgood Peabody   Click Here to Email Osgood Peabody
Remember Captain Strong and his "sauncha"?

This column from Mark Shaw really brought back some memories for me:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/oddball/index.cgi?date=2003-01-06

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Aldous
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posted January 07, 2003 03:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aldous
Do you mean Scott Shaw, Osgood?

I don't have that first Capt. Strong story, but I do have a sequel or two featuring the Captain. I'll have a hunt for them in the near future. Have I already reviewed a Capt. Strong story on this thread -- you know, the one where the Captain has to stay in Kent's apartment...? If I did, what page is it on? This board is in dire need of a search function...

If you've lost track of what you have and haven't talked about, is it time to throw in the towel?

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Osgood Peabody
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posted January 07, 2003 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Osgood Peabody   Click Here to Email Osgood Peabody
Good grief!

Yes - Scott Shaw, not to be confused with the Manhunter Mark Shaw!

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India Ink
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posted January 07, 2003 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for India Ink
Aldous, do you mean "Jaws of the Killer Shark" which you reviewed on page 12 of this thread? That story has been mentioned a few times on this thread, but I think this is the page you're looking for.

Maybe sometime when I have a few hours on my hands I'll prepare an index for this thread to help us all find these topics. I knew whereabouts Aldous had reviewed the Shark story but not exactly and it took a few minutes of scanning down some pages to find it.

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Aldous
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posted January 08, 2003 04:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aldous
Thanks... I forgot Captain Strong had a supporting role in the Shark comic.

Actually, the story I had in mind was "Too Big To Live" by Bates, Swan + Oksner from Action #439 (1974). I looked around for the comic book tonight but I couldn't find it. (It's here somewhere.) I'm pretty sure it's the story where Strong has to stay at Clark's and is not impressed with Clark's milksop ways. I'll have to re-read the story to be sure of these details.

I'm flattered you remembered I'd reviewed the Shark one -- and even knew roughly where the review was.

An index would be good. I don't see a search function popping up anytime soon. Perhaps we could collaborate on the index, eg. you take pages 1-13 and I'll take 14-25. (Imagine trying to co-ordinate such an effort over a message board...)

Actually, when we finally click over to page 26 might be a good time to post an index -- if we both start working on one then, there's a good chance it'll all appear on the same page.

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Aldous
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posted January 08, 2003 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aldous
Found it. The cover is probably Nick Cardy. The giant arm of Carnox the caveman has punched the Man of Steel, sending him flying up out of the sea near a frightened couple in a rowboat.

"Too Big To Live" by Cary Bates, Curt Swan + Bob Oksner. "Guest-Starring Captain Strong."

The sauncha so fondly remembered by Osgood also guest-stars here... but not for its usual reason.

The Captain is on his boat, proposing to his girl, Olivia, when an intruder appears and punches the Captain so hard he flies clear off his boat and onto the docks. Then the brute swims behind the boat, pushing it a mile out to sea with Olivia still on board.

The Captain, using the peanut he has for a brain, figures the intruder is trying to steal his girl, and he turns up in the WGBS office of Clark Kent. He wants Clark to contact Superman to rescue Olivia.

At one point, the Captain lifts a sceptical Clark clear out of his chair by the shirtfront, ripping his tie. Naturally Clark agrees to contact Superman.

Superman flies to the boat, calling out for Olivia Tallow. He sees her on board, but a big caveman-type appears from the water and pulls him in by his cape. They fight. The Man of Steel underestimates his opponent's power and gets knocked clear out of the water for his trouble -- his skyward trajectory taking him through the boat, smashing it in two. Superman is not hurt and flies back to the boat to rescue Olivia.

He returns the girl to a grateful Captain at the docks and tells the Captain that the caveman dragged the whole boat to the bottom of the sea. It wasn't the girl the bad guy wanted -- it was the boat.

"Blast me barnacles," exclaims the Captain, echoing, I think, Captain Haddock from The Adventures of Tintin which I've been re-reading lately.

Superman has retained a fragment of the big caveman's animal-skin garb, and takes it to be analysed at S.T.A.R. Laboratories. The scientists at the lab, however, have no need to analyse the fragment. They already know about the caveman in question, to the great surprise of Superman.

The day before, the S.T.A.R. team had received a discovery sent by archeologists Carson & Knox: a caveman from the Pleistocene period, over a million years old, perfectly preserved in what appeared to be ice. One scientist assumes the specimen came from the Arctic region, but his colleague assures him it came from a tropical jungle on the Equator! This was no ordinary frozen caveman, and, during testing, the caveman (like the caveman from an earlier Superman tale, "The Invulnerable Enemy") becomes animated and breaks out of what turns out to be "unearthly" ice.

Superman has a hunch about Carnox, and the next day Clark tells the Captain and Olivia that Superman believes Carnox was after the bag of sauncha the Captain was keeping on board the boat. Captain Strong now moves in with Clark so the Man of Steel can keep an eye on him. Superman figures Carnox will come after the Captain for more sauncha -- only the Captain knows the location of the sauncha patch on the ocean floor.

The next day a neighbour of Clark's, a bully, knocks Clark's groceries into the street for fun, but the Captain sees this and gives the bully a thumping.

Later the same day, Carnox kidnaps Strong right out of Clark's apartment, and it is Superman who pursues the strange pair down the side of the building. He snatches the Captain from the caveman's grasp, then Superman and the caveman engage in a brief battle, the culmination of which involves Superman sending Carnox to the underwater sauncha patch.

The sauncha cures the caveman's affliction, and he now takes his true form: a little bald man, a space explorer who landed on Earth a million years ago. An unknown substance in the planet's atmosphere caused the explorer's "giantism" (preventing him from re-entering his spacecraft) and he was forced to dress like other humans of the time so as to blend in. The explorer's tests revealed the "giantism" was a terminal disease, so he used his advanced technology to put himself into suspended animation, hoping one day the people of Earth would become advanced enough to effect a cure. A million years later, upon being accidentally revived in the lab, the explorer panicked, gripped by "savage impulses."

The Man of Steel returns Carnox to his ship a million years in the past, and the explorer goes on his way. Superman relates the story to Popeye and Olive, and all's well that ends well.

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Aldous
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posted January 08, 2003 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aldous
Just by sheer coincidence, I have on my desk at the same time two JLA comics -- the story in which Hawkman joins the JLA, "Riddle of the Runaway Room," and the story in which he resigns from the JLA, "The Doom of the Divided Man."

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India Ink
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posted January 08, 2003 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for India Ink
I'd be glad to index pages 1 - 13. I have some time off in February so I'll be able to tackle the job then. But I'm open to suggestions on what kind of format such an index should have. A table of contents type listing, an alphabetic listing, a list under subject headings, listing by poster name etc.???

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India Ink
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posted January 09, 2003 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for India Ink
By the way, I've found this page for the 70s calendars, but it doesn't seem to help in telling one where to get them...
http://www.supermancollectors.com/superplanet/whatsnewapr02.html

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India Ink
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posted January 09, 2003 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for India Ink
And while I'm at it, here's the current link for Superman through the Ages...
http://theages.superman.nu/welcome.php

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Aldous
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posted January 09, 2003 03:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aldous
I did a quick index of one of the pages from this thread as a suggested format and starting point...

To follow...

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Aldous
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posted January 09, 2003 03:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aldous
SUPERMAN IN THE 70s

PAGE 8

wbrentleigh:
- compliment for India Ink


wbrentleigh:
- addendum


India Ink:
- comic creators as metaphorical parents


India Ink:
- Superman #238 (June 1971)
- Infantino + Anderson cover shows Superman and "Sand-Superman"
- letters in Metropolis Mailbag from Elliot S. Maggin and Richard H. Morrissey


India Ink:
- addendum


bluedevil2002:
- reprinting of "Sand-Superman" saga


bluedevil2002:
- question about how to obtain "Sand-Superman" saga


India Ink:
- E. Nelson Bridwell
- comic book knowledge of posters
- Superman #167 (February 1964) "The Team of Luthor and Brainiac"
- advancing the mythology
- fan letter from E. Nelson Bridwell


India Ink:
- buying 70s comic books (reply to bluedevil2002)


India Ink:
- comment on automatic message board censor


Aldous:
- reply to bluedevil 2002


Aldous:
- "sad" Superman vs. "self-pitying" Superman
- thoughts on "Sand-Superman" saga


Aldous:
- addendum


bluedevil2002:
- petition for TPB of "Sand-Superman" saga?


India Ink:
- campaign for collected edition of the saga?
- "sad" Superman


bluedevil2002:
- campaign for collected edition of saga


The Progenitor:
- a point against a collected edition


India Ink:
- reasons for and against collected edition


bluedevil2002:
- "Elseworlds" logo on collected edition?


KEV-EL:
- TPB of saga overdue
- had DC stuck with saga continuity....
- brief mention of Superman #243 "The Starry-Eyed Siren of Space"
- back issues


India Ink:
- expands on "Starry-Eyed Siren"


India Ink:
- contrast between Kirby's Superman and the Forever People, and Byrne's later version
- views of Rich Morrissey on the above
- Superman's motives for interfering in the fate of humanity and the world, and the implications of this


Aldous:
- scathing review of "Starry-Eyed Siren" with apologies to India Ink


KEV-EL:
- "Starry-Eyed Siren"
- lack of closure or follow-up to great Superman stories and concepts


Aldous:
- still with a bee in the bonnet about "Starry-Eyed Siren"


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India Ink
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posted January 09, 2003 11:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for India Ink
Aldous:
- good stuff
- page 8 will be helpful when I get around to this little project
- how do I get those bullets (instead of dashes)?

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India Ink
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posted January 09, 2003 11:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for India Ink
let's try this:

    - bullets?
    - bullets?
    - bullets?

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India Ink
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posted January 09, 2003 11:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for India Ink
Well, I didn't get bullets, but I did get offset indentation by using "list" in [] and [/].

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Aldous
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posted January 10, 2003 05:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aldous
Even a simple one-page index like I created is bordering on the unwieldy.

Is it all worth it for something as impermanent as the Superman in the 70s thread?

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casselmm47
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posted January 10, 2003 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for casselmm47   Click Here to Email casselmm47
Suggestion:

If any of the main participants on this thread have their own personal website, it may be worth it to save their reviews, observations, etc. there and provide a link in their sig.

I saved the first ten pages of the thread some time ago just for personal reference, with the intent to go back and 'filter out' (snip out the posting date, graphics, 'bump' posts, stuff like that... to keep the page size (kB) smaller) and reorder the pages for my own personal use. Any of you guys able to do this?

Cass

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